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Anaphyllactic Reaction to Aluminium Remedy
My daughter, who is 16 months old, has had severe allergic eczema for over a year.She is severely allergic to nuts, egg, milk and many grains (on blood tests - no major anaphyllactic reactions yet though).
But she has been doing ok on a diet of vegetables, meat etc. and her eczema has been slightly less severe for several weeks, and we have been able to stop steroid creams almost totally.
She has NEVER (until last week) had a severe anaphyllactic reaction - only some minor face swelling around eyes (as well as widespread eczema breakout) when we tried her with milk etc. many months ago. She had never had a reaction severe enough to attend hospital.
Until last week.
I had taken her to see a highly experienced constitutional homeopath, and he prescribed aluminium (not sure what dose) - partly because he decided she was suffering some aluminium toxicity.
He also said it would be good to try to clear up the underlying constitutional causes of the eczema/allergies, even though they were slightly improved, in case it later turned into asthma etc.
About 36 hours after she took the aluminium dose, our baby had a massive and sudden anaphyllactic reaction immediately upon swallowing some lamb and vegetables - 2 of her safest foods.
She started choking and turned red. Then, over the next half hour she started swelling up far worse than ever before, until her face looked mongoloid and you could hardly see her eyes.
Her ENTIRE body went bright red.
We called an ambulance and rang her homeopath who advised apis mel 200. But this didn't seem to help and in the ambulance she was so lifeless that they injected her with adrenaline.
I would have given carbo veg for the collapse but I wasn't in the ambulance - only my wife was.
Our baby recovered in hospital, and was discharged 6 hours later, although her ears and eye area didn't return to normal size for 24 hours or more.
Our homeopath says he has never seen such a reaction, but admits that there seems to be no other explanation other than the aluminium (which he says IS a skin remedy also).
Our baby's airways were NOT affected noticably during the attack - so it could be seen as just a monster attack of eczema/swelling to skin and surface tissues - the kind of exagerration of symptoms one might attribute to a skin remedy.
In the week since her attack our baby has been pretty normal - the same reduced level of eczema as the weeks before the remedy/attack - and certainly no noticeable swellings.
But we did try her with a very tiny piece of the lamb yesterday and her cheeks developed red wet aczema - so it appears that the attack has now sensitised her to one of her favourite and most harmless foods.
We will have to keep her off lamb totally for the forseeable future.
She is still fine with chicken and rabbit.
Incidentally - one homeo book says that aluminium is associated with aversion to meat!!
We will have a rast test done soon to see if she is type 1 allergic to lamb.
In the meantime, I do not know whether she has had some kind of healing reaction (our homeopath has often said that major healings rarely occur without reaction); or whether the whole incident has just been a disaster that has opened up a whole new level of reactivity and stopped her ever again eating lamb.
Is there anyone who has any experience or thoughts?
Cheers
E
evander on 2005-01-29
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
It does not surprise me that your daughter had an adverse reaction. I have had adverse reactions to remedies and would never use homeopathy again. Of course 99.9% of people using this website will disagree with me that homeopathy is a bad thing.However I feel that the other point of view does at least need to be expressed.
gwendolin last decade
It does not surprise me that your daughter had an adverse reaction. I have had adverse reactions to remedies and would never use homeopathy again. Of course 99.9% of people using this website will disagree with me that homeopathy is a bad thing.However I feel that the other point of view does at least need to be expressed.
gwendolin last decade
It does not surprise me that your daughter had an adverse reaction. I have had adverse reactions to remedies and would never use homeopathy again. Of course 99.9% of people using this website will disagree with me that homeopathy is a bad thing.However I feel that the other point of view does at least need to be expressed.
gwendolin last decade
It does not surprise me that your daughter had an adverse reaction. I have had adverse reactions to remedies and would never use homeopathy again. Of course 99.9% of people using this website will disagree with me that homeopathy is a bad thing.However I feel that the other point of view does at least need to be expressed.
gwendolin last decade
I have also had extremely adverse reactions to every homeopathic remedy I have ever taken and would never use them again. As this is a website promoting the benefits of homeopathy 99.9% of its users will disagree with me that homeopathy is a bad thing. However they perhaps haven't had the bad experience I have had. I feel duty bound to express the other point of view even though it will be extremely unpopular.
gwendolin last decade
I have also had extremely adverse reactions to every homeopathic remedy I have ever taken and would never use them again. As this is a website promoting the benefits of homeopathy 99.9% of its users will disagree with me that homeopathy is a bad thing. However they perhaps haven't had the bad experience I have had. I feel duty bound to express the other point of view even though it will be extremely unpopular.
gwendolin last decade
I have also had extremely adverse reactions to every homeopathic remedy I have ever taken and would never use them again. As this is a website promoting the benefits of homeopathy 99.9% of its users will disagree with me that homeopathy is a bad thing. However they perhaps haven't had the bad experience I have had. I feel duty bound to express the other point of view even though it will be extremely unpopular.
gwendolin last decade
I have also had extremely adverse reactions to every homeopathic remedy I have ever taken and would never use them again. As this is a website promoting the benefits of homeopathy 99.9% of its users will disagree with me that homeopathy is a bad thing. However they perhaps haven't had the bad experience I have had. I feel duty bound to express the other point of view even though it will be extremely unpopular.
gwendolin last decade
I have also had extremely adverse reactions to every homeopathic remedy I have ever taken and would never use them again. As this is a website promoting the benefits of homeopathy 99.9% of its users will disagree with me that homeopathy is a bad thing. However they perhaps haven't had the bad experience I have had. I feel duty bound to express the other point of view even though it will be extremely unpopular.
gwendolin last decade
I have also had extremely adverse reactions to every homeopathic remedy I have ever taken and would never use them again. As this is a website promoting the benefits of homeopathy 99.9% of its users will disagree with me that homeopathy is a bad thing. However they perhaps haven't had the bad experience I have had. I feel duty bound to express the other point of view even though it will be extremely unpopular.
gwendolin last decade
I have also had extremely adverse reactions to every homeopathic remedy I have ever taken and would never use them again. As this is a website promoting the benefits of homeopathy 99.9% of its users will disagree with me that homeopathy is a bad thing. However they perhaps haven't had the bad experience I have had. I feel duty bound to express the other point of view even though it will be extremely unpopular.
gwendolin last decade
First you can pick just one thing which is the most allergic.
You try to potentize that thing and use it the way a homeopathy medicine is used.
This thing usually works.
You try to potentize that thing and use it the way a homeopathy medicine is used.
This thing usually works.
kuldeep last decade
Gwendolen
Are you a psycho or are you having some kind of technical problems?
Can somebody official remove all this repetitive crap from gwendolen that has clogged up my thread?
Are you a psycho or are you having some kind of technical problems?
Can somebody official remove all this repetitive crap from gwendolen that has clogged up my thread?
evander last decade
Go gently on Gwen, who cares what has happened with the repeat postings?...we are not here to get upset about nervous buttons.
Gwen, I am so sorry you have has such adverse responses. I appreciate your need to express your views, but leave it at that, the freedom to express your views.
To get angry, waving flags and runing on about the pros or cons about anything is not acceptable from a mature adult.
After all, the practitioners and doctors that post would not be practicing if they had a great number of people that have your sensitivy to homeopathy. In 40+ years I have had no more than 10 that did not like the way it feels or was not comfortable.
One should have the right to express doubts and STOP taking anything that is not helping OR something causing illness. If you are this adamant, why read the forum??
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Dear Evan, Your daughter has indeed had a surprising (awful) response to the Aluminum. Even though I have worked with my teacher with very young babies, I would never have given such a young child this remedy. It will take time to release this.
The antidotes for this remedy are Ipecacuanha or Chamomilla. As a rule I never antidote, but some cases may call for it as here.
Now, even though we know this, we need for you to tell us about the personality of your child. Cham is for the cannot be soothed child. Ipecac is more for the child with stomach/vomiting conditions. (you understand, I mean Homeopathic Ipecac?)
Nux V. is good for some antidoting, but generally a man's remedy, dark person, and applies to more of a poisonous condition. Your child has not been poisoned, but sent into severe sensitivity reactions.
While your choice of Carbo Veg would not have been amiss, it probably would not have done what you expected.
I suggest that you get some APIS M in 200X in the event that something else sets off an unknown allergic swelling so you can immediately help the anaphylactic condition. (also for the swelling in throat.)
So, while you are in touch with your child to a large degree, you still need to "talk" to us about her. Just talk, like someone does when showing (my baby) pictures. Tell us also about the stress/emotions of the family in general. Do you and your wife agree...work together? First child???
Are you careful about not showing great concern for any odd conditions that show up, as to not teach the child to be tense with the parents?
All babies know when mom and dad are tense and afraid and they become the same.
Lets talk some more.
Blessings, Sabra
Gwen, I am so sorry you have has such adverse responses. I appreciate your need to express your views, but leave it at that, the freedom to express your views.
To get angry, waving flags and runing on about the pros or cons about anything is not acceptable from a mature adult.
After all, the practitioners and doctors that post would not be practicing if they had a great number of people that have your sensitivy to homeopathy. In 40+ years I have had no more than 10 that did not like the way it feels or was not comfortable.
One should have the right to express doubts and STOP taking anything that is not helping OR something causing illness. If you are this adamant, why read the forum??
_____________________________
Dear Evan, Your daughter has indeed had a surprising (awful) response to the Aluminum. Even though I have worked with my teacher with very young babies, I would never have given such a young child this remedy. It will take time to release this.
The antidotes for this remedy are Ipecacuanha or Chamomilla. As a rule I never antidote, but some cases may call for it as here.
Now, even though we know this, we need for you to tell us about the personality of your child. Cham is for the cannot be soothed child. Ipecac is more for the child with stomach/vomiting conditions. (you understand, I mean Homeopathic Ipecac?)
Nux V. is good for some antidoting, but generally a man's remedy, dark person, and applies to more of a poisonous condition. Your child has not been poisoned, but sent into severe sensitivity reactions.
While your choice of Carbo Veg would not have been amiss, it probably would not have done what you expected.
I suggest that you get some APIS M in 200X in the event that something else sets off an unknown allergic swelling so you can immediately help the anaphylactic condition. (also for the swelling in throat.)
So, while you are in touch with your child to a large degree, you still need to "talk" to us about her. Just talk, like someone does when showing (my baby) pictures. Tell us also about the stress/emotions of the family in general. Do you and your wife agree...work together? First child???
Are you careful about not showing great concern for any odd conditions that show up, as to not teach the child to be tense with the parents?
All babies know when mom and dad are tense and afraid and they become the same.
Lets talk some more.
Blessings, Sabra
♡ sabra last decade
After rereading all, I should have known...have you had immunizations given??? You see, they are full of heavy metals. S.
♡ sabra last decade
Sabra,
If you look at Gwen's posts, there are 2 different ones - each duplicated many times.
Normally in a case of accidental posting there is only ONE version!!
Then again - maybe you know gwen, and know from experience that she is not a habitual threadwrecker???
Though I must wonder why anyone who dislikes a method of treatment would hang around on its message boards!
Unless they have been tragically affected by it and want to warn others. But there is no indication from gwen's post that she has had anything beyond the normal/expected short term reaction that homeopathic remedies often give.
Anyway, how does one get this kind of repetitive stuff removed from a thread on this board?
I appreciate your reply, in general (although I do not think there is anything to be gained from raising the bogeyman of vaccinations here - the baby had severe eczema long before her first vaccination; and we omitted pertussis vaccination because it contains mercury).
Anyway, she had no vaccinations for 8 months before the attack; whereas she had the aluminium remedy just 36 hours before.
Most of the babies our homeopath deals with have had vaccinations, but he thought ours had a particular problem with aluminium toxicity from some other source.
So I do not see the point in considering vaccinations here. Or indeed family emotional dynamics - before we even consider the possibility of/seeking advice on any further constitutional treatment we need to get to the bottom of this mess with the aluminium - which is the purpose of this thread - to see if anyone has direct experience of this kind of event - and its long term outcomes.
Or indeed any in depth knowledge of the aluminium remedy itself - have there ever been provings?
Some websites seem to disagree on symptoms, and I can't find much about the remedy at all in books or online.
I appreciate your ideas on antidote - and certainly chamomilla is a benign herb and maybe worth a try with minimal risks.
But, from an allopathic point of view, isn't the main problem now that her mast cells have become sensitised to lamb, and I cannot see an antidote reversing that??
Maybe only time, or outgrowing it, if ever?
Cheers
E
If you look at Gwen's posts, there are 2 different ones - each duplicated many times.
Normally in a case of accidental posting there is only ONE version!!
Then again - maybe you know gwen, and know from experience that she is not a habitual threadwrecker???
Though I must wonder why anyone who dislikes a method of treatment would hang around on its message boards!
Unless they have been tragically affected by it and want to warn others. But there is no indication from gwen's post that she has had anything beyond the normal/expected short term reaction that homeopathic remedies often give.
Anyway, how does one get this kind of repetitive stuff removed from a thread on this board?
I appreciate your reply, in general (although I do not think there is anything to be gained from raising the bogeyman of vaccinations here - the baby had severe eczema long before her first vaccination; and we omitted pertussis vaccination because it contains mercury).
Anyway, she had no vaccinations for 8 months before the attack; whereas she had the aluminium remedy just 36 hours before.
Most of the babies our homeopath deals with have had vaccinations, but he thought ours had a particular problem with aluminium toxicity from some other source.
So I do not see the point in considering vaccinations here. Or indeed family emotional dynamics - before we even consider the possibility of/seeking advice on any further constitutional treatment we need to get to the bottom of this mess with the aluminium - which is the purpose of this thread - to see if anyone has direct experience of this kind of event - and its long term outcomes.
Or indeed any in depth knowledge of the aluminium remedy itself - have there ever been provings?
Some websites seem to disagree on symptoms, and I can't find much about the remedy at all in books or online.
I appreciate your ideas on antidote - and certainly chamomilla is a benign herb and maybe worth a try with minimal risks.
But, from an allopathic point of view, isn't the main problem now that her mast cells have become sensitised to lamb, and I cannot see an antidote reversing that??
Maybe only time, or outgrowing it, if ever?
Cheers
E
evander last decade
Somewhere in all that mess is a constitutional remedy that will sort it out. The case needs analysing for miasmatic influences .
There is also the possibility that , as Kent says , Nat Mur High would sort it .
But would not expect the parents to have any confidence at this point. ,
There is also the possibility that , as Kent says , Nat Mur High would sort it .
But would not expect the parents to have any confidence at this point. ,
passkey last decade
Passkey
Thanks for replying.
A couple of points:
Could you elaborate on the "Nat Mur High" suggestion?
As I am a parent, not a professional homeopath, I am not that familiar with the details of Kent.
Is there some history or nat mur reversing specific allergic sensitivities?
Are you suggesting nat mur as a kind of antidote, as with the chamomile/ipecac above?
As to whether I have lost confidence in homeopathy?
Well, I have always regarded homeopathy as potent and to be used only when necessary.
I am certain, for example, that our baby would have been a caesarian birth if it wasn't for giving a single dose of aconite 200 during labour.
Before the dose my wife was unable to take any more pain and wanted an epidural; but after the dose she never again mentioned wanting pain relief - she was suddenly able to cope with it. The midwife was amazed at the change.
At this point I am more worried about the aluminium prescription having being overly agressive and reckless than I am about the wisdom of using homeopathy in general.
Even highly experienced Doctors (in any field) can make a bad mistake on occasion.
Thanks
E
Thanks for replying.
A couple of points:
Could you elaborate on the "Nat Mur High" suggestion?
As I am a parent, not a professional homeopath, I am not that familiar with the details of Kent.
Is there some history or nat mur reversing specific allergic sensitivities?
Are you suggesting nat mur as a kind of antidote, as with the chamomile/ipecac above?
As to whether I have lost confidence in homeopathy?
Well, I have always regarded homeopathy as potent and to be used only when necessary.
I am certain, for example, that our baby would have been a caesarian birth if it wasn't for giving a single dose of aconite 200 during labour.
Before the dose my wife was unable to take any more pain and wanted an epidural; but after the dose she never again mentioned wanting pain relief - she was suddenly able to cope with it. The midwife was amazed at the change.
At this point I am more worried about the aluminium prescription having being overly agressive and reckless than I am about the wisdom of using homeopathy in general.
Even highly experienced Doctors (in any field) can make a bad mistake on occasion.
Thanks
E
evander last decade
Passkey
Ooops - I forgot to ask:
Do you believe that there is a constitutional remedy for EVERY situation?
Couldn't there be some situations where no such remedy exists/has yet been discovered?
Or that a complex combination is required that is almost impossible to deduce?
Ooops - I forgot to ask:
Do you believe that there is a constitutional remedy for EVERY situation?
Couldn't there be some situations where no such remedy exists/has yet been discovered?
Or that a complex combination is required that is almost impossible to deduce?
evander last decade
Passkey
Ooops - I forgot to ask:
Do you believe that there is a constitutional remedy for EVERY situation?
Couldn't there be some situations where no such remedy exists/has yet been discovered?
Or that a complex combination is required that is almost impossible to deduce?
Ooops - I forgot to ask:
Do you believe that there is a constitutional remedy for EVERY situation?
Couldn't there be some situations where no such remedy exists/has yet been discovered?
Or that a complex combination is required that is almost impossible to deduce?
evander last decade
Oh dear - I have done a double post myself now.
Very touchy button and a bad hangover to blame.
Still can't see how gwen managed to do eleven in a row though!
Must have been some party!
Very touchy button and a bad hangover to blame.
Still can't see how gwen managed to do eleven in a row though!
Must have been some party!
evander last decade
Sabra
As someone who is apparently claiming to be a homeopath;
your attitude towards a cautious parent whose baby has recently almost been killed by homeopathy; and who is just trying to get some information about the specific incident without wanting to engage in your bizzarre public circus of talking about my relationship with my wife and how you imagine it harms my baby; is extremely aggressive, heartless and unprofessional.
Subhuman even.
I think that behind all your touchy feely huggy stuff is a great deal of anger about something or other.
Physician - heal thyself.
As someone who is apparently claiming to be a homeopath;
your attitude towards a cautious parent whose baby has recently almost been killed by homeopathy; and who is just trying to get some information about the specific incident without wanting to engage in your bizzarre public circus of talking about my relationship with my wife and how you imagine it harms my baby; is extremely aggressive, heartless and unprofessional.
Subhuman even.
I think that behind all your touchy feely huggy stuff is a great deal of anger about something or other.
Physician - heal thyself.
evander last decade
I am not a psycho - I had a technical problem. I did not think that any of my posts had got through which is why I kept trying.
gwendolin last decade
Was it a material dose of Aluminum (lower than 12c)?
I wonder if it is at all possible to get allergic reaction to dynamized form of a remedy. (but I only had a semester of immunology in college "some" years ago-I may not know...).
imho either
1. she developed allergic reaction to something which wasn't allergenic before (like that unfortunate lamb, or something else)
2. she was allergic to carrier-sac.lac.-but I don't think so (it is just to list all posibilities)
3. this was a very bad aggravation (not allergic reaction!)- potency used was way too high, (I couldn't find it and have no time no to read the thread again --did you say she got some alum. traits?If so-she was proving the remedy--is too sensitive for that potency. In my exp. people with allergies are very sensitive-many require only A SNIF (oflaction method).
Is she allergic to lamb? Maybe she is now-but I would not blame alum. for that.
I wonder if it is at all possible to get allergic reaction to dynamized form of a remedy. (but I only had a semester of immunology in college "some" years ago-I may not know...).
imho either
1. she developed allergic reaction to something which wasn't allergenic before (like that unfortunate lamb, or something else)
2. she was allergic to carrier-sac.lac.-but I don't think so (it is just to list all posibilities)
3. this was a very bad aggravation (not allergic reaction!)- potency used was way too high, (I couldn't find it and have no time no to read the thread again --did you say she got some alum. traits?If so-she was proving the remedy--is too sensitive for that potency. In my exp. people with allergies are very sensitive-many require only A SNIF (oflaction method).
Is she allergic to lamb? Maybe she is now-but I would not blame alum. for that.
Astra2012 last decade
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