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Evidence that Nat Phos 6x reduces weight from the ABC
To Murthy and JacobYou have both taunted me often that my discovery that Nat Phos 6x reduces weight is only a figment of my imagination.
It was only after many trials on people who were overweight in Sri Lanka, who incidentally are very difficult to trace as the population is usually underweight, that I made my post entitled 'The Ultimate Cure for Obesity' on Christmas Day 2004, the day before the Tsunami hit Sri Lanka causing the loss of over 30000 lives.
You have often requested me to provide proof with reference to a link on the internet for evidence that Nat Phos has reduced weight. I requested my secretary to list the references to weight reduction on the thread which I shall copy below for your information.
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/15923/
I shall list the references to patients who have benefited from Nat Phos and the reference is by name and date.
CRUTHBH JULY 5 2005 LOST 5 POUNDS IN 1 WEEK
SAIPHM JULY 6 2005 LOST 2 POUNDS IN 2 WEEKS
CRUTHBH JULY 19 2005 LOST 2 POUNDS MORE
DO AUGUST 8 2005 LOST1 POUND MORE
FRED06 MARCH 7 2006 LOST 7KG IN 2 MONTHS
This is the list that I have been given and it is very likely that there are more records of weight loss on the forum if you care to do a diligent search for this phenomenon.
The maximum weight loss that I have recorded was 25kg in 9 months when the weight of my first test patient was reduced from 135kg down to 110. He is 6'3' height and he does not seem overweight today.
I have an employee who has reduced her weight by 10kg in about a year and she still takes a dose of 1 tablet NP twice daily as she discovered otherwise that he weight tends to climb up.
I have also been informed that Nat Phos 6x is in use in Health Farms in the US as they have discovered that it is by far the cheapest and the safest of the remedies that they give their clients but I do not have any reference to them. I am only repeating this news that I got from a US citizen who discovered this fact.
I hope that this evidence will serve as a starting point for you both to do your own tests of this remedy as this is what I lack here in Sri Lanka where I do not have any possibility of carrying out double blind tests for weight reduction under laboratory conditions.
I do hope that others who have these facilities will use them to verify my findings.
Joe De Livera
♥ Joe De Livera on 2006-11-25
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
these are the actual reports on the same thread.
not worked for me at all From Dr Amit Karkare on 2006-11-13
I too tried NAT PHOS 6x twice a day without any other medication but it didn't work at all. i am still the same
More to follow.
Murthy
not worked for me at all From Dr Amit Karkare on 2006-11-13
I too tried NAT PHOS 6x twice a day without any other medication but it didn't work at all. i am still the same
More to follow.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Re: Phytolacca Berry 30 From fred06 on 2006-03-07
It works on me (raw berries)
On 7th March itself Fred06 confirms that he is using Phtolacca Berry too.
Murthy
It works on me (raw berries)
On 7th March itself Fred06 confirms that he is using Phtolacca Berry too.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Re: The Ultimate Cure for Obesity From achandra on 2005-07-21
Dear Dr Joe
You might remember, I had started Nat Phos from March 20 and since then, as per your advice have been taking two tabs twice, after meals. I am not a real obseee and only wanted to clear some flab on my belly, say about 8-10 lbs. ButI have not seen any results so far. The flab is still there.
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Murthy
Dear Dr Joe
You might remember, I had started Nat Phos from March 20 and since then, as per your advice have been taking two tabs twice, after meals. I am not a real obseee and only wanted to clear some flab on my belly, say about 8-10 lbs. ButI have not seen any results so far. The flab is still there.
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Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Re: The Ultimate Cure for Obesity2005-07-06
Hi Joe,
I saw this post 3 weeks back. I started taking Nat Phos 2 weeks back and did not cut down on my coffee or diet coke. I did not see any change. Last Monday onwards I cut down totally on my coffee and tea. I usually have coffee at my break fast and tea aroud 5P.M and another coffee around 9 P.M. Today I noticed that my weight has reduced to just a pound or may be 2. Not sure if I'm loosing weight b'cas I cut down the calories by not drinking my coffee or tea or it is b'cas of the Nat Phos. I'm loosing water, but do not feel execessive. It's like normal urination but more frequent than before. I'm a female 5'.4' and 152 pounds.
I'm taking Nat Phos 3 tablets 1 hr after lunch and dinner.
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Murthy
Hi Joe,
I saw this post 3 weeks back. I started taking Nat Phos 2 weeks back and did not cut down on my coffee or diet coke. I did not see any change. Last Monday onwards I cut down totally on my coffee and tea. I usually have coffee at my break fast and tea aroud 5P.M and another coffee around 9 P.M. Today I noticed that my weight has reduced to just a pound or may be 2. Not sure if I'm loosing weight b'cas I cut down the calories by not drinking my coffee or tea or it is b'cas of the Nat Phos. I'm loosing water, but do not feel execessive. It's like normal urination but more frequent than before. I'm a female 5'.4' and 152 pounds.
I'm taking Nat Phos 3 tablets 1 hr after lunch and dinner.
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Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
I am simply amazed that you do not, even now, accept the fact that I have given you 7 cases with references to the authors whom you are free to contact if you so desire, to obtain their confirmation that they are hopefully even lower in weight today than they were a year ago.
This is, I believe, where your mind does not permit the 'vintage Murthy' I knew of old, to be rational in your reasoning because it is most likely 'boiling over' right now as you read this post.
You have not commented on the 7 cases that I have provided you with but choose to refer to your case and that of Amit who did not respond to the Nat Phos as thousands of others have done.
Don't you think that it is time that you got your mind to think rationally ?
I am sure that your able assistant in harassing me will shortly join the fray and I would like to have his comments on this subject.
This is, I believe, where your mind does not permit the 'vintage Murthy' I knew of old, to be rational in your reasoning because it is most likely 'boiling over' right now as you read this post.
You have not commented on the 7 cases that I have provided you with but choose to refer to your case and that of Amit who did not respond to the Nat Phos as thousands of others have done.
Don't you think that it is time that you got your mind to think rationally ?
I am sure that your able assistant in harassing me will shortly join the fray and I would like to have his comments on this subject.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Re: The Ultimate Cure for Obesity From asharma on 2005-04-13
I was just wondering if the weight loss due to Nat phos is just temporary or does it sustain for a long period of time. Users please comment. Thanks.
Re: The Ultimate Cure for Obesity From Rabia on 2005-04-17
Hello
i read ur posts about and then i started using Natrum Phos 6x ...3 tablets ....3 times a day for more than a week but its of no use ,even i dont developed the symptom of excessive urination
Rabia
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Murthy
I was just wondering if the weight loss due to Nat phos is just temporary or does it sustain for a long period of time. Users please comment. Thanks.
Re: The Ultimate Cure for Obesity From Rabia on 2005-04-17
Hello
i read ur posts about and then i started using Natrum Phos 6x ...3 tablets ....3 times a day for more than a week but its of no use ,even i dont developed the symptom of excessive urination
Rabia
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Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
The only case worth discussing is that of Fred06, who claimed he lost 7Kgs.
Unfortunately, as per his own admission, he is using Phytolacca Berry too.
Both the posts were made on the same day, on different threads.
The 1 pound , 2 pound cases never came back, and it may e that they passed out more urine, and nothing else.
It can't be taken as evidence of 'Ultimate Cure for Obesity'
So, having discounted Fred06's claim, because he was using Phtolacca parallelly, and removin these two cases of one pound and two pounds, which can be a routine matter of weight fluctuations, the only case left was that of CRUTHBH.
Even CRUTH didn't confirm that the lost weight remained lost.
Against these, there are the repots from Dr.Amit,Achandra,Rabia, which confirmed that it did nothing.I am not including myself,in this list, though I too belong to it.
Murthy
Unfortunately, as per his own admission, he is using Phytolacca Berry too.
Both the posts were made on the same day, on different threads.
The 1 pound , 2 pound cases never came back, and it may e that they passed out more urine, and nothing else.
It can't be taken as evidence of 'Ultimate Cure for Obesity'
So, having discounted Fred06's claim, because he was using Phtolacca parallelly, and removin these two cases of one pound and two pounds, which can be a routine matter of weight fluctuations, the only case left was that of CRUTHBH.
Even CRUTH didn't confirm that the lost weight remained lost.
Against these, there are the repots from Dr.Amit,Achandra,Rabia, which confirmed that it did nothing.I am not including myself,in this list, though I too belong to it.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
To Murthy
I am convinced now even more that I was before, that your mind is so warped that no one, not even me, can make you see the truth.
I believe you have read my quote from Arthur Schopenhauer which I shall copy for your enlightenment below:
All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
--- Arthur Schopenhauer ---
I am convinced now even more that I was before, that your mind is so warped that no one, not even me, can make you see the truth.
I believe you have read my quote from Arthur Schopenhauer which I shall copy for your enlightenment below:
All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
--- Arthur Schopenhauer ---
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
When do we claim that a medicne is a cure for obesity? It should be able to remove the obesity completely.
The normal weight reduction courses using liposuction methods claim a reduction of 4 to 5 kgs. for each sitting.
Even then they don't claim it as cure for obesity. They always say, if you don't change your life style, all that is lost will come back.
Now, with these one pound, two pound loss cases, is it wise to blow one's trumpet about making a great discovery and telling it to the world, and lamenting that BBC, and other bodies have refused to take note of it?
I give least credence to the stories of Joe's employees, as, as is usual, they might be just stories told to please his boss.
Given his penchant for receiving praise, it is no wonder if he has been deceived by his own staff, by making false claims.
All in all. it amounts to a hoax.
Nat.Phos does nothing for Obesity. It is the truth.
Murthy
The normal weight reduction courses using liposuction methods claim a reduction of 4 to 5 kgs. for each sitting.
Even then they don't claim it as cure for obesity. They always say, if you don't change your life style, all that is lost will come back.
Now, with these one pound, two pound loss cases, is it wise to blow one's trumpet about making a great discovery and telling it to the world, and lamenting that BBC, and other bodies have refused to take note of it?
I give least credence to the stories of Joe's employees, as, as is usual, they might be just stories told to please his boss.
Given his penchant for receiving praise, it is no wonder if he has been deceived by his own staff, by making false claims.
All in all. it amounts to a hoax.
Nat.Phos does nothing for Obesity. It is the truth.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
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