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Osteoarthritis
Hi,My age is 35 and i am suffering from osteoarthritis. (both knees) I am a soccer player. Can u please tell me specific medicine for initial stage.
jassi205 on 2010-08-11
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I would doubt very much that you suffer from Osteoarthritis at your age of 35 years in both knees. However I shall prescribe the remedy I have used for many older patients who were diagnosed with Arthritis.
Argentum Metallicum 6c in the Wet dose taken twice daily. This remedy has an incredible ability to promote the blood supply into the Cartilage between the Femur and Tibia and thereby stop the pain.
Arnica 30c in the Wet dose taken twice daily to promote the flow of blood throughout the body. This remedy will also help you to recover more quickly after sports.
Ferr Phos 6x dose 3 tablets taken twice daily.
The Wet dose of any Homeopathic remedy is made up as follows:
Order the remedy in a 5ml Ethanol pack also known as Liquid Dilution.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake it hard to produce bubbles.
This is homeopathic succussion and must be done every time before a capful of the bottle which is the dose is sipped as directed.
Report your response in a week and also indicate if you recover any more quickly after sports.
Argentum Metallicum 6c in the Wet dose taken twice daily. This remedy has an incredible ability to promote the blood supply into the Cartilage between the Femur and Tibia and thereby stop the pain.
Arnica 30c in the Wet dose taken twice daily to promote the flow of blood throughout the body. This remedy will also help you to recover more quickly after sports.
Ferr Phos 6x dose 3 tablets taken twice daily.
The Wet dose of any Homeopathic remedy is made up as follows:
Order the remedy in a 5ml Ethanol pack also known as Liquid Dilution.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake it hard to produce bubbles.
This is homeopathic succussion and must be done every time before a capful of the bottle which is the dose is sipped as directed.
Report your response in a week and also indicate if you recover any more quickly after sports.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Thanks joe,
your doubt is genuine. but osteoarthritis in my knee was diagnosed by an orhopaedic surgeon (M.D.) here in our city.
anyhow, i will tell you within a week.
thanks once again.
your doubt is genuine. but osteoarthritis in my knee was diagnosed by an orhopaedic surgeon (M.D.) here in our city.
anyhow, i will tell you within a week.
thanks once again.
jassi205 last decade
I feel that your problem is due to wastage of the Cartilage between your bones which then makes the bones to grate against each other thereby simulating Osteoarthritis which is a disease affecting those older than you.
This wear and tear is obviously due to your sports overload and in my last post I failed to request you to STOP all exercise and even restrict your walking to enable my therapy aka 'Joepathy' to help rebuild the cartilage. You may like to know that modern medicine does not have any equivalent to my therapy to rebuild damaged or wasted cartilage.
As I stated in my last post Argentum Metallicum in the 6c potency when used in the Wet dose, has the 'incredible ability to promote the blood supply into the Cartilage between the Femur and Tibia and thereby stop the pain.' It may take some time to alleviate the pain that you now suffer from but patients whom I have treated for the standard Osteoarthritis have reported that within a week they noticed a significant improvement in the level of pain they had experienced for years which they treated with powerful analgesics which unfortunately had more serious side effects than the disease they were being used for.
Yours is a test case for me and I would appreciate if you will keep me informed of your progress even on a daily basis.
This wear and tear is obviously due to your sports overload and in my last post I failed to request you to STOP all exercise and even restrict your walking to enable my therapy aka 'Joepathy' to help rebuild the cartilage. You may like to know that modern medicine does not have any equivalent to my therapy to rebuild damaged or wasted cartilage.
As I stated in my last post Argentum Metallicum in the 6c potency when used in the Wet dose, has the 'incredible ability to promote the blood supply into the Cartilage between the Femur and Tibia and thereby stop the pain.' It may take some time to alleviate the pain that you now suffer from but patients whom I have treated for the standard Osteoarthritis have reported that within a week they noticed a significant improvement in the level of pain they had experienced for years which they treated with powerful analgesics which unfortunately had more serious side effects than the disease they were being used for.
Yours is a test case for me and I would appreciate if you will keep me informed of your progress even on a daily basis.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Thanks joe,
I really appreciate the interest you are taking in my case. Definately i will keep you informed all the improvement time to time.
I really appreciate the interest you are taking in my case. Definately i will keep you informed all the improvement time to time.
jassi205 last decade
dear joe de livera,your earlier posts prescribed rhus tox 1m and hy[ericum 200c. now you seem to favour argentum metallicum 6c. what shd i use?
isug4l last decade
To Isug
What is your interest in the Rhus Tox 1M therapy that you state I prescribed with Hypericum 200 some years ago?
If you suffer from Osteo Arthritis you can start a new thread instead of using this one.
What is your interest in the Rhus Tox 1M therapy that you state I prescribed with Hypericum 200 some years ago?
If you suffer from Osteo Arthritis you can start a new thread instead of using this one.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
To Jassi
If you read this post I would appreciate if you will please indicate the status of your knees today.
I presume that you have been compelled to avoid playing Soccer.
If you read this post I would appreciate if you will please indicate the status of your knees today.
I presume that you have been compelled to avoid playing Soccer.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Dr. Joe De Livera,
I posted this reply in a thread in the abc homeo forum under Osteoarthritis, but am not sure i will be able to find if you do post a response, hence this request by email, if you would kindly care to reply likewise :
In your earlier posts you highly recommended hypericum 200c and rhus tox 1m. Later you seem to have shifted to argentum metallicum 6c. which should i use?
i am male, 67, 5'9', >76kg; oa 5 yrs progressively deteriorating, now terrible. OK at rest; walk 10 paces and God help pain in both knees, also 1' below knees (esp left) front, upper feet; hip joint much pain but more left. All pains on movement, walk, climb stairs only - fine lying down! Hardly any sleep.
been taking tiny quantities (in mg's) for sleep, relaxation, stupor; have started arnica 30c at your sugg to others for general health one week; started glucosamine-chondroitn 1500-1200mg/day one week. been using NSAID artifen 50mg, disprin on days I must go out about with diminishing relief.
getting in worse shape day-by-day; son still at university. Must make a living. very worried. Much worse due to excessive exertion during very beloved only daughter's marriage a month back and in the wake of severe pangs at her departure.
Pl reply help in God's name; keep me in your prayers - and earn the prayers of those suffering who find relief with your help.
kind regards
isu
[message edited by isug4l on Fri, 08 Apr 2011 11:48:57 BST]
[message edited by isug4l on Fri, 08 Apr 2011 11:50:08 BST]
I posted this reply in a thread in the abc homeo forum under Osteoarthritis, but am not sure i will be able to find if you do post a response, hence this request by email, if you would kindly care to reply likewise :
In your earlier posts you highly recommended hypericum 200c and rhus tox 1m. Later you seem to have shifted to argentum metallicum 6c. which should i use?
i am male, 67, 5'9', >76kg; oa 5 yrs progressively deteriorating, now terrible. OK at rest; walk 10 paces and God help pain in both knees, also 1' below knees (esp left) front, upper feet; hip joint much pain but more left. All pains on movement, walk, climb stairs only - fine lying down! Hardly any sleep.
been taking tiny quantities (in mg's) for sleep, relaxation, stupor; have started arnica 30c at your sugg to others for general health one week; started glucosamine-chondroitn 1500-1200mg/day one week. been using NSAID artifen 50mg, disprin on days I must go out about with diminishing relief.
getting in worse shape day-by-day; son still at university. Must make a living. very worried. Much worse due to excessive exertion during very beloved only daughter's marriage a month back and in the wake of severe pangs at her departure.
Pl reply help in God's name; keep me in your prayers - and earn the prayers of those suffering who find relief with your help.
kind regards
isu
[message edited by isug4l on Fri, 08 Apr 2011 11:48:57 BST]
[message edited by isug4l on Fri, 08 Apr 2011 11:50:08 BST]
isug4l last decade
Dear Joe,
Thanks for keeping my problem in your mind. I would like to tell you that I have reduced my weight from 83 kg to 71 kg and i am also taking care regarding my sports activities. I haven't taken any medicine yet, but now i am going to start medicine as prescribed by you. My knee's are not giving me so much problem now. Thanks once again. I will let you know time to time
[message edited by jassi205 on Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:15:40 BST]
Thanks for keeping my problem in your mind. I would like to tell you that I have reduced my weight from 83 kg to 71 kg and i am also taking care regarding my sports activities. I haven't taken any medicine yet, but now i am going to start medicine as prescribed by you. My knee's are not giving me so much problem now. Thanks once again. I will let you know time to time
[message edited by jassi205 on Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:15:40 BST]
jassi205 last decade
Dear Dr. Joe De Livera,
I seem to have managed to offend you somehow. Never intended to. My only query is what you would suggest i should take for my own problem of an out-of-control osteoarthritis. Never intended to cross you on your earlier suggestion to others and your current preferences. You are a professional: change, revision, amendment are signs of true professionals, not dogmatic adherence to past beliefs or theories or even seemingly valid experiences and observations. All respect to you.
Do kindly consider suggesting a plan of action for my malady. I am new to the Forum and not yet home with my way around in the Forum; even don't know how to start a new thread, and after starting, how to benefit from it.
I've taken up your arnica 30c and feel it will help me just as it has helped you. Thanks to you, I also visited Dr. Luk's website and reading very informative public addresses.
kind regards
isu
I seem to have managed to offend you somehow. Never intended to. My only query is what you would suggest i should take for my own problem of an out-of-control osteoarthritis. Never intended to cross you on your earlier suggestion to others and your current preferences. You are a professional: change, revision, amendment are signs of true professionals, not dogmatic adherence to past beliefs or theories or even seemingly valid experiences and observations. All respect to you.
Do kindly consider suggesting a plan of action for my malady. I am new to the Forum and not yet home with my way around in the Forum; even don't know how to start a new thread, and after starting, how to benefit from it.
I've taken up your arnica 30c and feel it will help me just as it has helped you. Thanks to you, I also visited Dr. Luk's website and reading very informative public addresses.
kind regards
isu
isug4l last decade
dr. joe de livera,
there is some confusion on my part...probably i'm butting in on your dialogue with jassi!
my most sincere apologies to you as well as jassi!
isu
there is some confusion on my part...probably i'm butting in on your dialogue with jassi!
my most sincere apologies to you as well as jassi!
isu
isug4l last decade
To Isug
Please be assured that you have not 'offended' me in any way whatever. It is just that when 2 patients post on the same thread it takes me a little more time to figure out the who's who. This thread is OK as long as I can help you. I did not read the other which you referred to.
I changed over to Argentum Metallicum 6c in the Wet dose as I had been informed by patients that it helped them better than the Rhus Tox. You must obviously use the Arg Met 6c in the Wet dose ASAP and you should hopefully find that your Arthritis will respond in about 3 days according to the many patients whom I have treated and who have confirmed their response. I was quite shocked to be informed by one in my office that he experienced distinct relief within 6 hours. This is about the fastest response rate that I have been informed of. This patients was CURED of his Arthritis within a week and does not need any medication at all today.
You do not want the Hypericum 200 in the WD right now but if you do not experience any relief in a week you can use it. The idea is to observe progress after you take the Arg M and I would appreciate if you will please report any difference in your pain level as soon as you notice it.
You can take Arnica 30c in the Wet dose for your insomnia and it may also help to accelerate your eventual cure from your Arthritis.
Please stop all other drugs and supplements and only use the remedies prescribed.
Leave an hour between remedies and take the Arnica just before bed.
Report progress on this thread as often as you wish to and be assured of my help to hopefully cure you of your Arthritis and your other ailments.
Please be assured that you have not 'offended' me in any way whatever. It is just that when 2 patients post on the same thread it takes me a little more time to figure out the who's who. This thread is OK as long as I can help you. I did not read the other which you referred to.
I changed over to Argentum Metallicum 6c in the Wet dose as I had been informed by patients that it helped them better than the Rhus Tox. You must obviously use the Arg Met 6c in the Wet dose ASAP and you should hopefully find that your Arthritis will respond in about 3 days according to the many patients whom I have treated and who have confirmed their response. I was quite shocked to be informed by one in my office that he experienced distinct relief within 6 hours. This is about the fastest response rate that I have been informed of. This patients was CURED of his Arthritis within a week and does not need any medication at all today.
You do not want the Hypericum 200 in the WD right now but if you do not experience any relief in a week you can use it. The idea is to observe progress after you take the Arg M and I would appreciate if you will please report any difference in your pain level as soon as you notice it.
You can take Arnica 30c in the Wet dose for your insomnia and it may also help to accelerate your eventual cure from your Arthritis.
Please stop all other drugs and supplements and only use the remedies prescribed.
Leave an hour between remedies and take the Arnica just before bed.
Report progress on this thread as often as you wish to and be assured of my help to hopefully cure you of your Arthritis and your other ailments.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
To Jassi
I am interested to learn after the space of 8 months that you have been cured of your 'Arthritis' even without using the remedy I prescribed.
I do not see any reason for your starting on my therapy at this juncture and would suggest that you continue with your present lifestyle today.
You may however take Arnica 30cin the Wet dose nightly as this will help you.
I am interested to learn after the space of 8 months that you have been cured of your 'Arthritis' even without using the remedy I prescribed.
I do not see any reason for your starting on my therapy at this juncture and would suggest that you continue with your present lifestyle today.
You may however take Arnica 30cin the Wet dose nightly as this will help you.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Dr. De Livera, most obliged for your kind response. Only, I'll have to get someone to go to the homeo store downtown and bring me arg M 6c - can't do it myself! No longer! crippled. Me! can you believe it. Must take a couple of days before the remedy is in hand, then I will go for it over the next few days WD before i can report. Can you meanwhile suggest a dosage frequency? My most sincere thanks again and best wishes.
isug
isug
isug4l last decade
My apologies for not mentioning the dosage which must be a teaspoonful or a capful of the bottle taken twice daily.
Please note that you must get the Liquid Dilution in Alcohol of Arg Met as the pellets are not as effective to make the Wet dose.
I did not realize that you are in so much pain with your Arthritis. I shall be very interested to learn of your response to the remedy which shoul be seen in under a week.
You may also order Hypericum 200 in the Liquid Dilution as you will benefit from its analgesic effect which will be felt within a few minutes after the dose.
Please note that you must get the Liquid Dilution in Alcohol of Arg Met as the pellets are not as effective to make the Wet dose.
I did not realize that you are in so much pain with your Arthritis. I shall be very interested to learn of your response to the remedy which shoul be seen in under a week.
You may also order Hypericum 200 in the Liquid Dilution as you will benefit from its analgesic effect which will be felt within a few minutes after the dose.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Dr. De Livera,
I have just got arg.met 6; didn't get hypericum 200 though. Will do something to get this, too.
Meanwhile, Sir, how does one know that the company - albeit a reputed and locally very popular one - HAS supplied arg.met 6C? One has no way to know but to trust the integrity of the company. Same goes with Schwabe - Germany. Any comment.
I will get back with you with my report soon after I have had a couple of days' arg.met 6c in WD twice daily, followed an hour later by arnica 30c WD.
Very kind of you!
- isu
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I have just got arg.met 6; didn't get hypericum 200 though. Will do something to get this, too.
Meanwhile, Sir, how does one know that the company - albeit a reputed and locally very popular one - HAS supplied arg.met 6C? One has no way to know but to trust the integrity of the company. Same goes with Schwabe - Germany. Any comment.
I will get back with you with my report soon after I have had a couple of days' arg.met 6c in WD twice daily, followed an hour later by arnica 30c WD.
Very kind of you!
- isu
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isug4l last decade
To Isug
I do not know where you live and cannot therefore guide you on the quality of the Homeopathic remedies marketed there.
Schwabe is world known but I have not heard about HAS. I presume that they are OK depending of course where their plants are located.
I do not know where you live and cannot therefore guide you on the quality of the Homeopathic remedies marketed there.
Schwabe is world known but I have not heard about HAS. I presume that they are OK depending of course where their plants are located.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Dr. Joe De Livera,
I made the WD of Arg.M.6C in a 500-ml so-called mineral water bottled and sold by the local operations of coca cola Company, labeled 'clean and clear drinking water', and have taken one dose at around 3 pm before lunch. The next dose will be in the evening, one hour prior to my arnica 30c WD at bedtime.
Again, how do you know that the Coca Cola gives you real mineral, purified 'clear and clean drinking water' and not just the municipal tap water from the street corner?
Anyway, so long as the remedy works! Will get back with you later on my results. Meanwhile, i have requested a guy at the office to get me hypericum 200c. I will make a WD again similarly.
By the way, after i have taken a few cap-fulls from these three 500-ml water bottles, what do i do with the rest of the water? can i use it as ordinary drinking water or should i throw these away - precious and expensive RO'ed purified drinking water as this is!!!
isu
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I made the WD of Arg.M.6C in a 500-ml so-called mineral water bottled and sold by the local operations of coca cola Company, labeled 'clean and clear drinking water', and have taken one dose at around 3 pm before lunch. The next dose will be in the evening, one hour prior to my arnica 30c WD at bedtime.
Again, how do you know that the Coca Cola gives you real mineral, purified 'clear and clean drinking water' and not just the municipal tap water from the street corner?
Anyway, so long as the remedy works! Will get back with you later on my results. Meanwhile, i have requested a guy at the office to get me hypericum 200c. I will make a WD again similarly.
By the way, after i have taken a few cap-fulls from these three 500-ml water bottles, what do i do with the rest of the water? can i use it as ordinary drinking water or should i throw these away - precious and expensive RO'ed purified drinking water as this is!!!
isu
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isug4l last decade
If you have the slightest doubt about the water you are advised to boil it just in case it is chlorinated. Chlorine antidotes all remedies. You may boil the water and repeat the process of inserting the 3 drops again after cooling it.
Here in Sri Lanka we have some very pure spring water drawn from bore wells over 250 ft deep and I use Aquafresh exclusively. It is also used on SriLankan airlines and is not chlorinated.
I note that you seem to have the impression that you must make a fresh bottle daily. This is not the case at all as you must use the bottle up to the last drop. A dose can be a whole bottle or just a few drops but I have settled for a capful as the cap of the bottle is always handy at hand.
Do not however mix the caps of the 2 bottles as this can antidote the remedies.
Here in Sri Lanka we have some very pure spring water drawn from bore wells over 250 ft deep and I use Aquafresh exclusively. It is also used on SriLankan airlines and is not chlorinated.
I note that you seem to have the impression that you must make a fresh bottle daily. This is not the case at all as you must use the bottle up to the last drop. A dose can be a whole bottle or just a few drops but I have settled for a capful as the cap of the bottle is always handy at hand.
Do not however mix the caps of the 2 bottles as this can antidote the remedies.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Non diabetic
Age 36
Sudden pain in ankle while walking ,only left foot
Pain extends till knee if sitting for long hours
Spent 4k on blood tests , other than CPR no other test was positive
Orthodox says it is arthralgia , earlier suspected to be gout, as uric acid test was negative
Pain while driving bike also
Unable to understand what to do and what medicine to take
I want to go to the root of the problem instead of just pain killers
Pls help
Age 36
Sudden pain in ankle while walking ,only left foot
Pain extends till knee if sitting for long hours
Spent 4k on blood tests , other than CPR no other test was positive
Orthodox says it is arthralgia , earlier suspected to be gout, as uric acid test was negative
Pain while driving bike also
Unable to understand what to do and what medicine to take
I want to go to the root of the problem instead of just pain killers
Pls help
dpnctl 9 years ago
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This is an old thread. You need to make
a treatment thread for yourself.
Please go to the forum front page. Look
above the first post. Click the button
Post New Topic- this will let you make
your own thread-Someone will help you
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♡ simone717 9 years ago
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If you got these symptoms:
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Herniated discs
Cervical spine aches
Discs protrusions
Lumber spine aches
Numb fingers and toes
Or you got dorsopathy
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helpcame 8 years ago
Hi, I have question regarding the alternative of Potencies if particular potency is not available for making combination for Osteoarthritis treatment
the below dilutions will be suggested for making combination
1.Argent mettalicum 3X
2. Rhus toxicodendron 3X
3. colchicine 3X
4. Nyctanthes arbortristis 3X
5. Symphytum officinale 3X
6. Ruta graveolens (Ruta) 3X
7. Hecla lava 3X
but the from above 3 medicines not available in dilution of 3x. I have question is the any other way to make the combination of above medicines in 6ch potency dilution or any other potency power. Thanks.
the below dilutions will be suggested for making combination
1.Argent mettalicum 3X
2. Rhus toxicodendron 3X
3. colchicine 3X
4. Nyctanthes arbortristis 3X
5. Symphytum officinale 3X
6. Ruta graveolens (Ruta) 3X
7. Hecla lava 3X
but the from above 3 medicines not available in dilution of 3x. I have question is the any other way to make the combination of above medicines in 6ch potency dilution or any other potency power. Thanks.
ishan189 6 years ago
Joe De Livera said To Isug
What is your interest in the Rhus Tox 1M therapy that you state I prescribed with Hypericum 200 some years ago?
If you suffer from Osteo Arthritis you can start a new thread instead of using this one.â Please tick why you are reporting this post:Duplicate postArgumentative / Attack on another memberContains explicit or inappropriate contentPrescriber requesting offline contactPost is trying to sell somethingPosted under a false (duplicate) user name.Off topic for this thread. Report Post â¡+Endorsing posts shows your approval of this forum member and this particular post. Click the red button to endorse.Endorse Post
Hi, I have question regarding the alternative of Potencies if particular potency is not available for making combination for Osteoarthritis treatment
the below dilutions will be suggested for making combination
1.Argent mettalicum 3X
2. Rhus toxicodendron 3X
3. colchicine 3X
4. Nyctanthes arbortristis 3X
5. Symphytum officinale 3X
6. Ruta graveolens (Ruta) 3X
7. Hecla lava 3X
but the from above 3 medicines not available in dilution of 3x. I have question is the any other way to make the combination of above medicines in 6ch potency dilution or any other potency power. Thanks.
What is your interest in the Rhus Tox 1M therapy that you state I prescribed with Hypericum 200 some years ago?
If you suffer from Osteo Arthritis you can start a new thread instead of using this one.â Please tick why you are reporting this post:Duplicate postArgumentative / Attack on another memberContains explicit or inappropriate contentPrescriber requesting offline contactPost is trying to sell somethingPosted under a false (duplicate) user name.Off topic for this thread. Report Post â¡+Endorsing posts shows your approval of this forum member and this particular post. Click the red button to endorse.Endorse Post
Hi, I have question regarding the alternative of Potencies if particular potency is not available for making combination for Osteoarthritis treatment
the below dilutions will be suggested for making combination
1.Argent mettalicum 3X
2. Rhus toxicodendron 3X
3. colchicine 3X
4. Nyctanthes arbortristis 3X
5. Symphytum officinale 3X
6. Ruta graveolens (Ruta) 3X
7. Hecla lava 3X
but the from above 3 medicines not available in dilution of 3x. I have question is the any other way to make the combination of above medicines in 6ch potency dilution or any other potency power. Thanks.
ishan189 6 years ago
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