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after the puls i noticed she was skipping a day of having a bm and then having 2-3 bms the following day. She's normally quite regular having 1-2 bms each day. With the lyco today she was able to have the bm today even tho she went yesterday, except todays was quite smelly, normally hers aren't that smelly.
karinamom last decade
I am just sharing what Hahnemann has said about Lycopodium repetition and what I have myself observed. This by the way has been written by Hahnemann after the 5th edition had been written. Your experience might be different. You are of-course free to ignore the problems I have seen in cases where this kind of repetition was done with some of the deeper remedies.
I am not saying wait for 50 days after a dose, the problem occurs with too many doses of one potency. Even with sucussions between doses, for the centesimal scale, repeating the same potency (beyond the point when the person has started responding to it) with a remedy like Lycopodium is very tricky business.
Obviously the remedy makes a difference, as a dose of Aconite will exhaust sooner than Lycopodium in patients of similar sensitivity (provided both were homeopathic to the respective cases).
Also, there is a reason why LMs were devised and found to be the 'highest' method, and that is because they are very amenable for 'repetition as and when needed using sucussions', to speed up the curative process.
If 5th edition was so flawless, LMs would never have been discovered.
Anyways, I am sure you are cautious enough to not repeat once any new symptoms appear.
Good luck.
I am not saying wait for 50 days after a dose, the problem occurs with too many doses of one potency. Even with sucussions between doses, for the centesimal scale, repeating the same potency (beyond the point when the person has started responding to it) with a remedy like Lycopodium is very tricky business.
Obviously the remedy makes a difference, as a dose of Aconite will exhaust sooner than Lycopodium in patients of similar sensitivity (provided both were homeopathic to the respective cases).
Also, there is a reason why LMs were devised and found to be the 'highest' method, and that is because they are very amenable for 'repetition as and when needed using sucussions', to speed up the curative process.
If 5th edition was so flawless, LMs would never have been discovered.
Anyways, I am sure you are cautious enough to not repeat once any new symptoms appear.
Good luck.
sameervermani last decade
If only LMs did indeed speed up the process of cure. Unfortunately they does not seem to happen, and in fact people can be on LMs for months or years. They do produce less aggravation, they do not cure faster. I experimented with LMs extensively in my early years of practice.
Actually I have read some very interesting research on the F-series of potencies which suggests this method of dosing may in fact produce more rapid cure. I am just in the process of ordering these potencies to do trials on patients whose experience with the standard Centesimal scales and LM scales was less than satisfactory.
Back to the case in question - it is not unsual to see 'detoxifcation' or 'ameliorating discharge' symptoms appear during treament, which may appear to be new. Direction of Cure needs to be observed to ensure such symptoms are not mistaken as proving symptoms. Patients can develop diarrhea, odd-coloured stools, skin rashes, mucous discharges - as long as the patient is improving when these occur they should not concern the pratictioner too much.
Is this the case here? We will only know by watching for improvement.
Actually I have read some very interesting research on the F-series of potencies which suggests this method of dosing may in fact produce more rapid cure. I am just in the process of ordering these potencies to do trials on patients whose experience with the standard Centesimal scales and LM scales was less than satisfactory.
Back to the case in question - it is not unsual to see 'detoxifcation' or 'ameliorating discharge' symptoms appear during treament, which may appear to be new. Direction of Cure needs to be observed to ensure such symptoms are not mistaken as proving symptoms. Patients can develop diarrhea, odd-coloured stools, skin rashes, mucous discharges - as long as the patient is improving when these occur they should not concern the pratictioner too much.
Is this the case here? We will only know by watching for improvement.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
her last dose of lyco was in the evening, 4 hits. I left it at that and did not repeat.
Will post in the morning and let you know how she is then, because that's usually the toughest part of her day. Other than that, the consistency of the bm was nothing out of the ordinary. She went to bed quite peacefully, on her tummy.
Will post in the morning and let you know how she is then, because that's usually the toughest part of her day. Other than that, the consistency of the bm was nothing out of the ordinary. She went to bed quite peacefully, on her tummy.
karinamom last decade
'If only LMs did indeed speed up the process of cure. Unfortunately they does not seem to happen, and in fact people can be on LMs for months or years. They do produce less aggravation, they do not cure faster. I experimented with LMs extensively in my early years of practice. '
^^ Nothing could be farther than truth. LMs are by far the most penetrating of all scales. They are also the most gentle and fastest in getting a response.
Boenninghausen was well aware of this fact. In 1863, just one year before his death, the Baron reminisced over the two LM cases Hahnemann had sent him in 1843.
'Of the other remedies used in these two cures (Sulphur, Mercurius, Nitric Acid), new dynamizations were used, which will be described in the next edition of the Organon , the peculiar preparation of which is known to me and which requires less time and trouble, but essentially presents our present high and highest potencies, but having given my word of honor, I am not as yet at liberty to publish the same. Also these the preparations were given in the dose of one single pellet either dissolved in just as much water, or applied by simply smelling of it. By means of these before unheard of minimal doses, there was effected a restoration of both these cases in a comparatively short time; the first of these cases was an acute ailment of the brain, the other a chronic complicated disease. It is especially curious that the proper action of these remedies, and even their first action, could be clearly distinguished in the course of the disease.'
You can read about this in David Little's articles. They are the 'highest' and the best possible way to rapid, permanent and gentle cure. David Little says 'In over 20 years of comparing the LM with the C potency I would say that the LM 0/1 acts deeper and longer than the 30C. If one studies Hahnemann's cases one comes to the conclusion that Hahnemann thought likewise. All things equal, I would say the LM 0/1, 0/2 and 0/3 act with a similar depth to the 200C or 1M although the durations might not be as long. The LM 0/4, 0/5 and 0/6 act as deeply as much higher potencies. To think the LM remedies are low potencies that can be repeated daily in every case is a big mistake.
All of the references to the need for crisis-like aggravation to push the remedy in place of the natural disease and compel an increase of energy of the vital force are removed from the 6th Organon. There is no need to force, push, compel, or aggravate in the non-invasive LM method of the 1840s.'
He further says
'Chronic diseases often have an insidious onset, slowly increasing pathology, and reach crisis after a longer period of years. The LM potency is subtle in its onset, uses a series of slowly increasing potencies, and they reach aggravation at the end of the treatment.
The LM potency scale is homoeopathic to many chronic diseases and miasms. In the 6th Organon (1843) Hahnemann wrote that the LM scale produces aggravations at the end of the treatment when the patient is completely well if the dose is controlled.
By the publication of the 6th Organon Hahnemann no longer believed it was necessary to compel the vital force to cure through aggravations. There are no aggravations with the LM potency if the remedy is slowed down as the patient improves and stopped at the correct time.
This effect is enhanced with the C's in medicinal solution but their nature still tends toward a quicker aggravation due to their 1 to 100 dilution ratio.
Partial simillimums tend to change the natural symptom patterns too quickly calling for a new more perfect remedy. For this reason, the first prescription is a very important moment in every case.
If the remedy is a true simillimum the patient can be exposed to longer series of LM potencies 0/1, 0/2, 0/3 to 0/30 until cure is completed over a longer period of time. The LM potencies are a gradually increasing microtonal scale of 30 potency degrees that are very similar to the slowly increasing symptoms of degenerative disease and miasms. This is why they are so well suited to chronic degenerative diseases and miasms.
The LMs tend to aggravate at the end of treatment when the pathology is healed and vitality restored. This is a sign that the remedy is no longer needed. If the remedy is slowed down as the patient improves, there will be no aggravation at the end of treatment.
The C potencies have a rapid onset and reach aggravation at the beginning of treatment when the patient is the most ill and the weakest. This is not the best situation. This is another reason why the LMs are suitable for many inherited and acquired chronic diseases and miasms.
The properly adjusted LM also works well on serious trauma, virulent acute disorders, and crisis. Here the higher opening potencies (0/3-0/6) are sometimes of use although most cases resolve on LM 0/1 -3.'
I am not saying this case has aggravated yet, or has been overdoses yet, I am just cautioning you that the kind of repetition that was done with China in another thread might not go as well with Lyc.
^^ Nothing could be farther than truth. LMs are by far the most penetrating of all scales. They are also the most gentle and fastest in getting a response.
Boenninghausen was well aware of this fact. In 1863, just one year before his death, the Baron reminisced over the two LM cases Hahnemann had sent him in 1843.
'Of the other remedies used in these two cures (Sulphur, Mercurius, Nitric Acid), new dynamizations were used, which will be described in the next edition of the Organon , the peculiar preparation of which is known to me and which requires less time and trouble, but essentially presents our present high and highest potencies, but having given my word of honor, I am not as yet at liberty to publish the same. Also these the preparations were given in the dose of one single pellet either dissolved in just as much water, or applied by simply smelling of it. By means of these before unheard of minimal doses, there was effected a restoration of both these cases in a comparatively short time; the first of these cases was an acute ailment of the brain, the other a chronic complicated disease. It is especially curious that the proper action of these remedies, and even their first action, could be clearly distinguished in the course of the disease.'
You can read about this in David Little's articles. They are the 'highest' and the best possible way to rapid, permanent and gentle cure. David Little says 'In over 20 years of comparing the LM with the C potency I would say that the LM 0/1 acts deeper and longer than the 30C. If one studies Hahnemann's cases one comes to the conclusion that Hahnemann thought likewise. All things equal, I would say the LM 0/1, 0/2 and 0/3 act with a similar depth to the 200C or 1M although the durations might not be as long. The LM 0/4, 0/5 and 0/6 act as deeply as much higher potencies. To think the LM remedies are low potencies that can be repeated daily in every case is a big mistake.
All of the references to the need for crisis-like aggravation to push the remedy in place of the natural disease and compel an increase of energy of the vital force are removed from the 6th Organon. There is no need to force, push, compel, or aggravate in the non-invasive LM method of the 1840s.'
He further says
'Chronic diseases often have an insidious onset, slowly increasing pathology, and reach crisis after a longer period of years. The LM potency is subtle in its onset, uses a series of slowly increasing potencies, and they reach aggravation at the end of the treatment.
The LM potency scale is homoeopathic to many chronic diseases and miasms. In the 6th Organon (1843) Hahnemann wrote that the LM scale produces aggravations at the end of the treatment when the patient is completely well if the dose is controlled.
By the publication of the 6th Organon Hahnemann no longer believed it was necessary to compel the vital force to cure through aggravations. There are no aggravations with the LM potency if the remedy is slowed down as the patient improves and stopped at the correct time.
This effect is enhanced with the C's in medicinal solution but their nature still tends toward a quicker aggravation due to their 1 to 100 dilution ratio.
Partial simillimums tend to change the natural symptom patterns too quickly calling for a new more perfect remedy. For this reason, the first prescription is a very important moment in every case.
If the remedy is a true simillimum the patient can be exposed to longer series of LM potencies 0/1, 0/2, 0/3 to 0/30 until cure is completed over a longer period of time. The LM potencies are a gradually increasing microtonal scale of 30 potency degrees that are very similar to the slowly increasing symptoms of degenerative disease and miasms. This is why they are so well suited to chronic degenerative diseases and miasms.
The LMs tend to aggravate at the end of treatment when the pathology is healed and vitality restored. This is a sign that the remedy is no longer needed. If the remedy is slowed down as the patient improves, there will be no aggravation at the end of treatment.
The C potencies have a rapid onset and reach aggravation at the beginning of treatment when the patient is the most ill and the weakest. This is not the best situation. This is another reason why the LMs are suitable for many inherited and acquired chronic diseases and miasms.
The properly adjusted LM also works well on serious trauma, virulent acute disorders, and crisis. Here the higher opening potencies (0/3-0/6) are sometimes of use although most cases resolve on LM 0/1 -3.'
I am not saying this case has aggravated yet, or has been overdoses yet, I am just cautioning you that the kind of repetition that was done with China in another thread might not go as well with Lyc.
sameervermani last decade
Ok good. Hopefully she will sleep through the night and wake in a much better mood in the morning :)
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
karinamom last decade
ok her morning mood is better today, but her breath got worse, very phlegmy
She hasn't been coughing. She woke up twice in the night, about the same times.
karina
She hasn't been coughing. She woke up twice in the night, about the same times.
karina
karinamom last decade
Is she bringing up more phlegm? It may be that she is discharging the mucous.
Did she wake up hungry again?
When she woke at night was it different to the previous nights?
How are all the other symptoms?
Did she wake up hungry again?
When she woke at night was it different to the previous nights?
How are all the other symptoms?
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Phlegm doesn't seem to be coming out per say. It is just when she coughs you can sense it from the chest, and you can smell it more from her breath.
And she is uneasy when her nose has mucus, she puts her fingers in and starts crying.
Yes she woke up hungry but ate well- willingly this morning.
Yes, more restless, it took a long time to put her back to sleep, wasn't that easy.
Her mood was better today, playing more.
This cold and cough seems to have gone on and on with her...think off/on since august - without fever or anything severe.
And she is uneasy when her nose has mucus, she puts her fingers in and starts crying.
Yes she woke up hungry but ate well- willingly this morning.
Yes, more restless, it took a long time to put her back to sleep, wasn't that easy.
Her mood was better today, playing more.
This cold and cough seems to have gone on and on with her...think off/on since august - without fever or anything severe.
karinamom last decade
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
sameervermani last decade
Sameer you were cautioning against proving symptoms. This is not happening here, there is a lack of response. It might be because the remedy is not correct, it might be because the potency is not correct.
Depending on what happens next, I may be suggesting that Lyc 200 be used. Before I do that, as is standard practice, I will reassess the case. If the patient responds to 200, but needs further doses, I will not hesitate to suggest that.
Mental/emotional state is better, generals and physicals are worse. Possibility = aggravation but curative process has stalled. Action = repeat remedy but raise potency to overcome resistance of disease.
Second possibility = partial similar. Action = retake case and prescribe new more similar remedy.
I always attempt to follow an ordered process when treating patients to avoid making mistakes - one of those mistakes is to abandon remedies too quickly without adjust dosage and potency. When supervising students I would see this quite often - their confidence in their prescriptions was so low that a small hiccough in the progress and they would be changing remedies. When dose and potency was addressed (or they were encouraged to wait) many times the patient continued to improve.
Potency is such an important issue in treatment. It is often overlooked in the stampede to get the 'right' remedy, and our expectations of that remedy can be somewhat unrealistic.
None of this should justify staying with a remedy that does nothing at all. Even on the wrong potency there are shifts and changes. Remain alert for those changes, attempt to judge their value according to hierarchy of symptoms and direction of cure, and don't allow the patient to suffer unneccesarily.
I have used Lycopodium many times during my years as a homoeopath. I have repeated it whenever it is needed, even if that is hours or days after previous doses. There has been no different reaction than any other remedy. When it has been indicated it has been successful. I have no fear of any remedy, they are all just tools with their own peculiar uses, and when wielded carefully will not harm the patient.
Depending on what happens next, I may be suggesting that Lyc 200 be used. Before I do that, as is standard practice, I will reassess the case. If the patient responds to 200, but needs further doses, I will not hesitate to suggest that.
Mental/emotional state is better, generals and physicals are worse. Possibility = aggravation but curative process has stalled. Action = repeat remedy but raise potency to overcome resistance of disease.
Second possibility = partial similar. Action = retake case and prescribe new more similar remedy.
I always attempt to follow an ordered process when treating patients to avoid making mistakes - one of those mistakes is to abandon remedies too quickly without adjust dosage and potency. When supervising students I would see this quite often - their confidence in their prescriptions was so low that a small hiccough in the progress and they would be changing remedies. When dose and potency was addressed (or they were encouraged to wait) many times the patient continued to improve.
Potency is such an important issue in treatment. It is often overlooked in the stampede to get the 'right' remedy, and our expectations of that remedy can be somewhat unrealistic.
None of this should justify staying with a remedy that does nothing at all. Even on the wrong potency there are shifts and changes. Remain alert for those changes, attempt to judge their value according to hierarchy of symptoms and direction of cure, and don't allow the patient to suffer unneccesarily.
I have used Lycopodium many times during my years as a homoeopath. I have repeated it whenever it is needed, even if that is hours or days after previous doses. There has been no different reaction than any other remedy. When it has been indicated it has been successful. I have no fear of any remedy, they are all just tools with their own peculiar uses, and when wielded carefully will not harm the patient.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
ok will give her lyco 30c, 6 hits...
on a side note:
I'd like to study homeopathy myself, have been meaning to for a long while now, but waiting for the kids to get a little older.
I want to continue being at home for them, so online courses will have to suffice.
Can you suggest a good school that has a good online program? I found this 'School of homeopathy' based in UK... any thoughts on that school?
Karina
on a side note:
I'd like to study homeopathy myself, have been meaning to for a long while now, but waiting for the kids to get a little older.
I want to continue being at home for them, so online courses will have to suffice.
Can you suggest a good school that has a good online program? I found this 'School of homeopathy' based in UK... any thoughts on that school?
Karina
karinamom last decade
David, rarely does Lyc require this kind of repetition when indicated. It is too soon to say whether it is or not.
Anyways, I have cautioned enough, repeat your heart out on this one :)
Anyways, I have cautioned enough, repeat your heart out on this one :)
sameervermani last decade
Hi Sameer,
Thanks for your suggestion. I am aware that homeopaths have differing opinions (based on their own experience) and different methods of treatment. In this case I'm going to choose to follow David, just because he's been treating myself, my son, and my daughter and all of us have seen good results thus far. My son recuperated over night from a 5 day ear infection and fever that just wasn't going away. I do respect your suggestion and appreciate your concern.
Karina
Thanks for your suggestion. I am aware that homeopaths have differing opinions (based on their own experience) and different methods of treatment. In this case I'm going to choose to follow David, just because he's been treating myself, my son, and my daughter and all of us have seen good results thus far. My son recuperated over night from a 5 day ear infection and fever that just wasn't going away. I do respect your suggestion and appreciate your concern.
Karina
karinamom last decade
Sameer is right to advise caution, and I respect that. It is good to see cautious prescribers - you do not see that very often on internet forums (or in real life for that matter) and shows a deep respect for the power of homoeopathy.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
she woke up twice last night and woke up very early this morning (slept around quarter to 9pm and was up at 6am).... but after eating some breakfast, her mood is good, and she doesn't seem congested. She's eating well and playing.
karinamom last decade
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
karinamom last decade
last night, she slept from 8pm until 4am, (the longest stretch she's done)... but when she woke up, she woke up wide awake enough to play. good mood. When she realized i was trying to put her back to sleep, she howled! Anyway, it took about an hour and ahalf to put her back to sleep, but when she woke up at 7:30, she woke up in a good mood. Very good mood. Not that hungry either, which is strange.
Doesn't seem to have a stuffy nose, not sure about the cough, she hasn't coughed yet.
Doesn't seem to have a stuffy nose, not sure about the cough, she hasn't coughed yet.
karinamom last decade
okay this little one seems okay thru the day, eating well, happy, not drinking much tho... water nor milk.
She usually doesn't like milk anyway. Health wise, i think the only thing that remains is a slight cough, she just coughs once or twice in a day tho.
But at night.... after 2 am.. she woke up like 4 times... harder to put back to sleep with each subsequent wake up.
karina
She usually doesn't like milk anyway. Health wise, i think the only thing that remains is a slight cough, she just coughs once or twice in a day tho.
But at night.... after 2 am.. she woke up like 4 times... harder to put back to sleep with each subsequent wake up.
karina
karinamom last decade
The cough doesn't sound serious enough to warrent treatment at this point.
The sleep though...that is a bit of a worry. Is this normal for her? What is happening when she wakes up? How does she wake up, what does she do, what do you need to do? How easy is she to comfort, what specifically helps her and what makes her worse?
Has she ever been like this before?
The sleep though...that is a bit of a worry. Is this normal for her? What is happening when she wakes up? How does she wake up, what does she do, what do you need to do? How easy is she to comfort, what specifically helps her and what makes her worse?
Has she ever been like this before?
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
She has been nursing until 2 months ago. She used to be a very good sleeper as an infant (waking up every 3-4 hours to be fed)... after 5 months old that changed. She was waking up every 2 hours to nurse... but i thought it normal since she wasn't eating solids... she didn't want solids until 10 months old... so was primarily on my milk and i fed her on demand.. so it became alot of feedings even thru the night. Became habitual.
BUt she was quick to fall back asleep.
Now since the nursing has stopped, it's difficult to put her to sleep... she doesn't like bedtime, hates it.. takes a very long time to fall asleep. She'll cry a bit.. but i'm with her.. some nights she's easier and tosses and turns herself to sleep.. other times she cries for a few minutes, and then realizes she has to sleep and will try to sleep. EVen tho she may cry before sleeping, never does she cry herself to sleep..
She doesn't ask for milk anymore.... so with each wake up, i pat her and she's quiet and she falls asleep. Some wake ups just take a few minutes.. the wake up at 3am... is the worst.. she cries loud.. and is harder to put back down.... she takes a while- tossing and turning..
If she wakes up at night, she sits up (she always did that) to look for me. When i was nursing her, obviously comfort was quick and easy.
After nursing, it was difficult for a few weeks... now it's easy.. less time.. she knows the routine of patting and is accepting of it.
Except at 5:30-6.... when she can't be quietened.. my guess is- she's hungry. I've tried milk but she doesn't like milk.. so i bring her out and give her cereal... she eats it.. not much tho.
But she doesn't go to bed till quarter to 9... i try really hard putting her to sleep earlier than that, but she doesn't give in to sleep easily.
BUt she was quick to fall back asleep.
Now since the nursing has stopped, it's difficult to put her to sleep... she doesn't like bedtime, hates it.. takes a very long time to fall asleep. She'll cry a bit.. but i'm with her.. some nights she's easier and tosses and turns herself to sleep.. other times she cries for a few minutes, and then realizes she has to sleep and will try to sleep. EVen tho she may cry before sleeping, never does she cry herself to sleep..
She doesn't ask for milk anymore.... so with each wake up, i pat her and she's quiet and she falls asleep. Some wake ups just take a few minutes.. the wake up at 3am... is the worst.. she cries loud.. and is harder to put back down.... she takes a while- tossing and turning..
If she wakes up at night, she sits up (she always did that) to look for me. When i was nursing her, obviously comfort was quick and easy.
After nursing, it was difficult for a few weeks... now it's easy.. less time.. she knows the routine of patting and is accepting of it.
Except at 5:30-6.... when she can't be quietened.. my guess is- she's hungry. I've tried milk but she doesn't like milk.. so i bring her out and give her cereal... she eats it.. not much tho.
But she doesn't go to bed till quarter to 9... i try really hard putting her to sleep earlier than that, but she doesn't give in to sleep easily.
karinamom last decade
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